Seeking the identity of this heritage white rose.
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11 months agoMelissa Northern Italy zone 8
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Comments (28)The last couple of weeks in Simi have had temperatures between 89-105. I bought a number of plumerias in cooler areas, and have definitely noticed how the colors have become deeper/more intense and more saturated here. Sometimes they become so deep they lose their beautiful subtle details, sometimes they're so saturated that they seem to gloriously jump out at you - it's good and bad. I will take some pics of the leaves and the shape of the tree (Simi Mystery I'm calling it for now), hopefully that will help, along with a description of the scent (it's rose-like, but I'll get more specific). I bought six good sized (4-7 foot) trees from the same person on Craigslist - Maui Beauty (wasn't Maui Beauty - but whatever it is it's awesome and doesn't stop blooming), Jeannie Moragne (turned out to be Simi Mystery), Sundance (turned out to be Cerise), Cerise (hasn't opened - Sundance? Could be anything), Bridal White (hasn't opened, could be anything, but I did go take a look at a Bridal White at Island Plumeria in the likely case I never see one here). A Teresa Wilder was a cutting, and it's bloomed twice, but it looks like Celadine. So I doubt the seller was an expert on plumeria varieties (although she did know a lot of names), let alone Thai ones. But since I've been repeatedly surprised by this seller, who knows? As disappointed as I've been, I've simultaneously loved the trees I got from her! Still looking for a 6-7 foot Jeannie Moragne (I'll make sure it's blooming before I buy it this time!)....See MoreI'm addicted to white roses , what is your addiction?
Comments (60)Hi Marlorena, There were a couple of threads a short while back about Filroses and importing their plants into the U.S.. I got some mixed messages about inspections and a quarantine that are required (or not). I am still totally mixed up, but my impression is that getting Filroses plants into, say, Canada, is a lot easier than into the U.S. Even Pickering in Canada has had recent troubles with U.S. red tape. I should contact Filroses and see what they say, but negative info about importing plant material has dampened my enthusiasm. Thanks so much for your comments, though. I still need that diplomat with the locking attache case, I guess. Diane...See MoreHeritage Rose symposium in Pasadena
Comments (22)That is fascinating, Malcolm, thank you! From what I have observed, attempting to grow high chill hour roses in too-warm climates, they seem to behave similarly. Even when they have received what should have been sufficient "cold", the heat periods have appeared to have sapped it out of them. Inland, they would receive periods at and below freezing, with annual swings into long periods of heat, often nearly a hundred degrees higher than the deepest cold. Very few flowered well (if at all) and most grew backwards. Yet, put them down right on the coast in the "perma fog" and you get better flowering, at least for a while, though they decline badly due to the greatly increased fungal and insect issues. Right on the coast, "winter" lows were usually above freezing with many months long periods of "spring" where the temps would remain in a range of less than thirty degrees variation between the low and high periods, with the "extreme heat" happening very late summer to mid fall (by the calendar) and lasting a matter of days rather than weeks. Types such as Banksiae would flower just a few weeks inland, while flowering up to six, sometimes more, months along the water. (O'Neal Blueberry fruited for a few weeks in the mid desert 9b. It fruited for nine to ten MONTHS in the coastal 11a.) The only thing that made sense was, even though they received deeper, longer cold in the greater extremes zone, the higher (and longer) heat periods they endured seemed to negate the cold. The more extreme conditions also reduced the insect and disease severity, so their foliage was healthier and less adversely affected by pests such as aphids and sawflies than they experienced where they had to grow in nightly fogs and dews and temperatures which greatly fostered the fungi and insects. I deliberately didn't bring nor collect any of the European OGR types to grow here in my new 9b climate with heavy coastal influence, so I can't compare how they may perform as they did in the 10b - 11a or inland 9b more "mid desert". I do have the species Primula, Hugonis, Xanthina, Fedtschenkoana, Serafinii, Stellata mirifica, Minutifolia and Banksiae and have observed "flushes" of "rebloom" on those I would expect to flower once (if at all) in the other climates yet lighter bloom on Fedtschenkoana, which threw flowers spring through fall in the mid desert 9b. Fortuniana here has pushed flowers most of the past twenty months, as has B. lutescens. Minutifolia flowers as reliably here as it did in both the mid desert 9b and 10b. Arkansana "Peppermint" pushed flushes of bloom here, too....See MoreSeeking zone 6ish container rose for all day sun-Roses Unlimited sale
Comments (15)To echo Jeri's comments, I don't think Sophie's Perpetual is a good fit for zone 6-ish. I put a free one from the Rogue Valley mystery roses into my virtual zone 6 pocket in my yard, and it sort of limped by after a very mild winter last year and totally disappeared this year. I think it's marginally hardy in zone 6, and better in zone 7.If it's in a container, you lose a virtual zone of winter protection and so you'd be a virtual zone 5 in a pot and not a good fit for Sophie's Perpetual. Pink Pet is the only China-type rose that survives well for me, but it's more of a Polyantha than a China in effect and it doesn't climb or get much beyond 3-4' for me. If you're looking for something from the RU sale that would climb well in zone 5, Awakening is rock solid hardy and has lovely pink flowers. It blooms just fine in part shade, and the only concern might be that it gets too big for even a half whiskey barrel. Mine was pretty thorny too. Among hybrid musks, only Lavender Lassie would be reasonably hardy in zone 5 and it would be a good fit for part shade. the mini climber Jeanne LaJoie survives fine in a typical zone 5 winter and is a much better fit for a pot. I think she'd do OK in part sun, though any rose blooms less in part sun. Antique 89 and Harlekin are both nicely hardy but they do die to the ground in my zone 5 and they only bloom sporadically in the year for me. Mine aren't particularly happy in part sun. Viking Queen survives fine in zone 5 but seems to die to the ground each year so you wouldn't necessarily get a ton of bloom. Veilchenblau would be an absolute trooper and climb or bush out huge in no time, and it's in dry shade under my oak tree. It's a once bloomer but gorgeous lush blooms for several weeks once established - here's mine in more or less full bloom with an admiring bunny that my daughter pointed out: Purple Splash and Stormy Weather both seem to survive OK in zone 5 and regrow from the ground reasonably well, so they'd be worth a try if you want the purple striped climbers. I haven't overwintered Quicksilver yet but the odds are good that it will be a good one for winter survival, being a Kordes. Paulspride is the only other rose listed as a climber on the RU sale that survives the winters well for me. Ghislaine Feligonde comes back reasonably well but it has tiny while flat blooms that aren't the attractive shapes others have, and I'm wondering if mine is the correct ID. Among the Austins, most of them are hardy but the ones that tend to be climbers on the RU sale list are the ones that survive the least for me - I can't keep Golden Celebration overwintered, nor Strawberry Hill or James Galway. Lady of Shalott is rock solid hardy as is Scepter'd Isle, Carding Mill and Heritage, but they get at most 5-6' tall by the end of spring since Austins rarely have surviving cane for me. Crown Princess Margareta is a climber and hardy, but I never get blooms from mine without surviving cane and it never has any. Rebecca in zone 5 has tons though and lovely blooms from hers. For other OGRs, Baronne Prevost and Mme. Isaac Periere are both fully hardy here, though BP would be better for a pot. She does Ok in part sun for me but would bloom more in sun. MIP prefers sun and doesn't bloom on new wood for me, so I don't get much bloom most years. Among shrubs, Alchymist is very hardy but a once bloomer. Autumn Sunset would survive fine in a pot and climbs well, but blooms very little in part shade for me. Belinda's Dream would survive fine and seems OK but not happy in part sun. Dames des Chenonceau is totally hardy and in my top 20-30 of roses I grow, and can be spectacular in part sun. As you move into part shade though, I'm not sure how well she'd do. Morden Sunrise is totally hardy and would be very pretty in this context, and White Meidiland would be a low-growing spreader in white and also very hardy. Among the RU sale roses, those are the ones I'd recommend for what you're asking. I'm all in favor of taking advantage of the RU sale!! Cynthia...See MoreSheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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