Rose I.D. help--PAOK? Jubilee Celebration? Something else?
There are two rose bushes where I work in Portland, Oregon in a fair amount of shade (only a few hours of afternoon sun total) and they thrive. The have very few thorns...not thornless, but almost--nearly smooth stems. The plants grow tall (5' - 6') or so and then start to arch over a bit. It throws out gorgeous long canes every year, topped with lush, deep blooms.
The blooms are huge (at least 4") and so fragrant. It's not old rose exactly, but it's not myrrh either--somewhere between the two? Maybe fruity? I wouldn't say I'm a scent expert, but I feel that it's not a tea scent. (That's probably not terribly helpful). You can see from the photos that the shading on the rose changes from the center (darker) outward. The blooms last several days in a vase, no problem. Thick with petals. Pink mostly, but I have observed some coral/peach tones in it at times (maybe it's weather contingent). Most of the time it's a range of light to dark pink.
In my observation, the bush is almost disease free. I've seen only the tiniest bit of powdery mildew which seems to resolve itself each season because we don't spray at work. The leaves have a somewhat crinkled look as well at times. If you look at the photo of the entire bush, you will get an idea. In that photo it is 6' tall. But otherwise they are a medium green, and a bit shiny. Not super shiny HT shiny, but a bit shiny.
Lastly, she takes from cuttings easily. I've taken a dozen or so and every single one struck and has turned (quickly) into a very large plant. Gave those away.
She might not be an Austin, but the head gardener thought they were donated from a woman's garden who loved Austins.
Any ideas? I'd love to know what it is, but also to know so that I don't buy the same one from DA.
The photos are of the mother plant at my work and of blooms from one of its cuttings in my own garden.
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Comments (13)HU-870412555 I don't sell cuttings but I root roses to benefit charities. I rooted the below this past summer and donated $800 to charities (most of it is my money). They are out-of-patent roses: Dee-lish, Evelyn, W.S. 2000, Spirit of Freedom, Christopher Marlowe, The Dark Lady, The Squire, Augusta Luis, Golden Cel, James Galway, Mary Magdalene, Abraham Darby, Sonia Rykiel, Carding Mill, Radio Times, Pat Austin, Crown Princess Mag., Tchaikosky, Purple lodge. The charities benefit from my rootings: Mother Teresa nuns in Chicago who run a homeless shelter for women & children. Plus Carmelites friars in New York who wired the money to buy toothpaste & toothbrushes for orphans overseas. Very few rootings will succeed INDOOR through my zone 5a winter, so let me know in advance. This past summer I charged cheap prices, but I got so burnt out in pleasing buyers, and not much money going to charities. It ended up a huge expense in time & labor for me. Easier for me to give to charities directly, without going through the hassle of pleasing buyers who want to get rather than to give. For 2013 it will be a bidding system, whoever bid highest get the rose since I have very few rootings for each variety. It would be unfair for me & charities serving the poor to offer the cheapest deals like last year. I don't sell above rootings to nurseries, but I sell to INDIVIDUAL rose grower. It's about luck & experience. Jubilee Celebration failed to root this year 2022, but I try again in spring 2023. For the past decade, I rooted only 1 Mary Magdalene. But as of 12/6/22, I have several Mary Magdalene successful rootings INDOOR through zone 5a, in just one month. Below is 12th-year own root Christopher Marlowe in my zone 5a garden, drought-tolerant with a wonderful scent (carnation, musk, and lemon). Even rabbits don't eat its thick leaves. Never see blackspots on Chris' thick and glossy leaves (similar to Kordes' roses). Bush is small & compact as 12th-year own root in my zone 5a. It's worth buying for the posh scent, like an expensive perfume. I can close my eyes and identify Chris' amazing scent. It's in only 4 hours of sun:...See MoreAprille, Pics of Jubilee Celebration In A Pot ( still small)
Comments (8)Devon - thanks for the pictures. I replied your post on the Discussions side of the forum before I came here and saw this one. Thanks again - I agree with Carla - your neighbourhood is unreal - it's so beautiful. The Ocean is so pretty - we took the girls berry picking and wanted to stop by the beach (went to Half Moon Bay) but we took so long at the berries that it started to get cold so we scraped that idea. Aprille...See MoreHeritage Roses Groups, The Celebration, and More . . .
Comments (36)Here's a question I didn't see answered, last May: catspat(aka "Catspa", NoCal, z9 Sunset 14) Thanks for posting photos, Ann! I don't understand Tom Liggett's claim on his Barbara Worl/Grandmother's Hat sign that the variety "lacks vigor on its own roots" and does better grafted! Mine is on its own roots, in very indifferent conditions, and has never been anything but very vigorous -- I'm constantly whacking it back to keep it to about 6' or so, and it puts out very sturdy runners to boot. Are there wimpy clones of this rose out there, I wonder? Catspa -- Liggett is probably the only person who thinks Grandmother's Hat needs grafting to be vigorous. (Because he sells grafted roses?) He says things like that with such conviction that people believe it. ALL of our 10 or so GramHats are on their own roots. Do they appear to lack vigor?...See MoreJubilee Celebration
Comments (40)Jin, if you really love a rose and don't mind the expense of a gamble, then I think it's worth trying something in your own garden. That's the biggest thing I've learned in my first year gardening. Not that I'm not grateful for the experiences shared here but I've noticed several times now that roses (and other plants) that people complain about, end up performing really well for me. (And conversely, plants other people raved about, turned out really disappointing or riddled with pests in my garden) For example, before I started planting roses last year, I was doing a lot of research into the different David Austin cultivars and based on all the comments on GardenWeb, I wouldn't have touched Abraham Darby with a barge pole! Everyone seemed to be complaining about him and what a disease magnet he is, especially with blackspot, etc, etc... Well, in the end, I decided to take a chance and he has been the healthiest of the 12 DA's I planted. Not one speck of blackspot on him. And he's planted by the lawn so he was getting regularly sprayed by the lawn sprinklers. He's grown to 5 feet in one season, with multiple new basal shoots, and constantly reblooms, with huge flowers, even though he's in partial shade. He's been a fantastic rose. Of course, I do live in a dry Mediterranean climate so BS and other fungal diseases aren't too big an issue in general - but my point is, Abraham Darby wasn't one of the DA's which DID succumb to blackspot in my garden and I'd really expected him to be the worst, based on everyone's comments. If I had just listened to general opinion, I would have missed out on a great rose. (He might still go downhill yet - I've only had him 1 yr and I know that's nothing in gardening terms - but I'm enjoying him so far!) HY...See MorePDXRobertZ8
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Nick 10bSW17
last yearI agree, it looks similar to my PAoK.
My JCs tend to stay more cupped, and are a dustier/peachy pink with blooms that tend to nod.
Diane Brakefield
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Does your rose look like these two photos? This is PAoK. Note a slight salmon cast to the blooms. Diane
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noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
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2 months agoMaybe you could just see it in a local rose garden to compare.
Here's mine looking more coral.
And on a pinker day:
Diane Brakefield
2 months agoRobert, PAoK can turn plenty coral, especially if you live in a place with hot and dry summers like here. Mine, which was a big thug, also produced little coral blossoms just as soon as the all summer heat waves hit, and didn't go back to a better size and color until well into fall. I find that Boscobel is so much better in our climate than PAoK was. And Bosco is no small shrimp rose, either, but a large rose that blooms way more than PAoK ever did here. In your climate, you may not have much of a coral problem, though. Diane
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