Dianela is in Alabama. I think she's the one you were addressing the above question to. Diane

Oh my bad i tagged the wrong person!

@dianela7analabama I definitely want a healthy rose so this is invaluable information to me thank you.

Sarena o not grow the Generous gardener. If you want a David Austin I would try Bathsheba which seems to have very good disease resistance or teasing georgia (sorry i know they are not the same color range)

Some of the Kordes like Bliss may grow large enough for a small arch. Pomponella can also get very tall if trained and is healthy. Quick Silver is healthy in full sun here and also florentina.

if your arch is not too small then i would recomend Mels heritage. Another gorgeous rose that will likely appeal to you is Colette (not sure of the disease resiyance on this ine because i dont have it yet). You just happened to accidentally tag Diane, the one person who has the most gorgeous speciment of Colett I have ever seen. Maybe if she is feeling generous she will post her pictures 😀. Or you could just google it and the old post should show up

Sorry for the typos, the site wont let me edit

@dianela7analabama no worries i have been making typos too! did you say ”do not grow generous garderner” or did you say ”i do not grow generous garderner” ? I will look up all the ones you just said, I hope some are pink!

@Diane Brakefield did show me her amazing colette! It was breath taking and I am strongly considering it. Though I am not sure where to purcahse it. I for sure want to go for a healthy rose with no black spots. We do get quite a bit of rain here. So I am looking at my catalog and it lists these as healthy

Generous Gardener

The lady of the lake

Mortimer Slacker

James Galaway

@dianela7analabama

and right now ill go search all the ones you listed. But I did not realize I needed to watch out for black spots so much, I am glad I learned my lesson before i planted.

You might also look at Renae. @Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca grew it in TN and loved it. @erasmus_gw also grows The GG, but I believe she may spray. I got it this year, but too tiny at the moment. Black spot is the worst and will suck the joy out of your roses if you don't spray or grow more resistant varieties.

@Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley Oh thank you, that rose is beautiful but I am really hoping for a cupped english climber. I did not even think of black spot so I am thankful i found this out. I will spray! But I would be sad to see my rose loose all its leaves. ):

Cinderella has smaller flowers, but so sweet and fragrant. No sure how tall it would grow for you.

I’m in blackspot country and my Generous Gardener does not need spraying.

@Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley oh cinderlla is beautiful!!!!! it is up my alley! More cupped like blooms! Is it black spot resistant? Any tips on where to buy?

@kitasei2 this is such good news!!!!! What is your generous garderner like? Does its blooms last? Does it have pink to it or is it mostly cream?

The Generous Gardener is five feet tall here, should grow taller in your zone. It's a pink and cream blend. Mortimer Sackler has better repeat bloom than The Generous Gardener.

James Galway has beautiful blooms that are a blend of caramel apricot and pink.

All three roses have sweet fragrance. Mortimer Sackler is one of my best Austins for repeat bloom, hardiness and quality of fragrance.

The Generous Gardener

Mortimer Sackler

James Galway

Sarena I do not grow the Generous Gardener. If you decide to grow it and does well for you I would try it. james galway is decently healthy here and it is a beautiful rose, but I have only had it for one year so not sure how it will perform yet.

here is my pomponella in case you like the look. the blooms are small but the plant is 100 percent healthy. I have seen it get very tall.

@Krista_5NY wow thank you so so much! Your mortimer slacker is so much prettier then I have seen from others. I had heard it had sloppy blooms. but yours is gorgeous so maybe that was flase info!

Thank you, Krista, for the info. on the height of the Generous Gardener.

@dianela7analabama thank you for those beautiful pictures! Youre an amazing roae grower! I am actually looking at kordes roses now because i found that their climbers do better with the rain! The cinderella and the Jasmina Ambrose are calling my name. and they say extremely disease resistant!!!!

There are a few places sted as carrying Cinderella but as you have seen they may be sold out such as ARE. Long ago roses may still have it as well as freedom gardens although his are often small. However, you are in a warmer zone so you have a longer time to grow the smaller roses to planting size. Or if you plant them straight away they have a better chance of surviving winter.

@Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley from what i found they are all sold out but thats okay i was planning to do it next spring any how!

have you grown cinderella?

thanks for suggesting it! i never knew about kordes roses

Ok. I grow a few, but all are small.

@Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley what year are they on?

I planted as basically bands late last Fall. I overwintered one indoors in a pot that was tiny. I love the fragrance.

@Sarena Altman (7a Middle TN) I planted small own root plants of GG and SH last October on this pergola. Here they are today. The foliage looks good together. I planted a bare root of The Lady of the Lake late April but it gets maybe too much shade and is really small so I didn't photograph it. Once it grows taller it will have more sun.

GG in the front, SHin the back.

SH in the front GG in back

@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw thank you!! What zone are you? I really wanted SH but it turns out my area is too prone to black spots. ): But you answered my question and i truly appreciate it. Where did you buy your own root GG?

GG came from David Austin in the fall. It was an excellent quality own root for $30. I believe they may have opened for preorders. I hope SH doesnt do too bad for me. Im in 8b in the rainy part of Oregon. Our summers have been without much rain the last several years (mostly sunny and no rain)and I'd say we have mild to medium humidity. Black spot can be a problem with some roses here. Im still new at rose gardening so I don't know what my microclimate will yield. Last summer I had an established old garden rose that pretty much has no disease issues and then 3 new David Austin's that had minimal black spot (Boscobel, Crown Princess Margareta and Wollerton Old Hall).

My neighbor had some black spot issues with some roses last year but her GG was beautiful and healthy. Its repeat was not as incredible as the first flush but it was lovely enough that I wanted it my garden.

@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw you will be safe with your GG, I have heard others who it does great for them, black spot wise. But i would spray your sh! (this is all just from research though, I am new too) It rains here a bunch so i have to really watch out. Yes i am trying to decide and get my preorder in asap! But GG is not listed for their own roots ): is own root much better then their normal bare root?

@Sarena Altman (7a Middle TN) my neighbor's is wonderful and it was bare root. DA only ships own root for fall planting though. You might want to ask them if they will have more varieties available if fall planting is what you want. I think they had more own roots become available for preorder at the beginning of July last year. It's worth an ask.

@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw oh that is interesting, i thought own root was to be planted early spring just like bare root. I will ask. I have watched videos but still i am a novice. Is own root way more worth it? I read where it takes longer to grow but will be healtheir over all.

I think you can plant own root at anytime. Bare root you can only plant in spring. Fall planting in warmer zones can be wonderful as it allows a lot of time for root establishment before the heat of summer.

@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw oh thats really cool! So i take it own root is always in a pot. Have you heard if heirloom roses is any good? They sell only own root

Yes. I've ordered quite a few from Heirloom. They are more expensive than some other places but their plants are large for own root and have good root systems. They really take off in my garden. If their average price of $50 is more than yout want to spend (as it was for me) then you can look for their special offers. They offer a rewards club so you can do things like sign up for their newsletter and follow them on Facebook to earn a discount if that's your thing. They also have sales all the time and I recommend making your wishlist and watching for when the roses you want go on sale.

The other place I really liked for own roots this year was High Country Roses. They restock in December/January so they may be sold out of a lot but they send great healthy little plants for the price. Their plants are about half the size of Heirloom's but also half the price. What I planted from HCR in May are all doing great and putting on size.

David Austin also sent me really good own root plants last fall. In size they were between Heirloom and HCR and also midrange for price. I planted several DA own roots along with ones from Heirloom last fall and they are all about the same size now and the same stage in blooming. For example, in those photos I shared SH came from Heirloom and GG vame from DA.

@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw that is really helpful info, and wonderful to hear because heirloom also has spirit of freedom and monteir sackler which i also love! And i will check out the other place you mentioned :) thank you a bunch

Long ago roses also carries TGG. I got mine there this year and it is doing great.

Sarena, here is one of my Cinderella Fairy Tale roses. This one is about 7 ft. tall. The blooms are very cupped and remain so start to finish. The blooms are a good size and it repeats quickly. I grow them as stand alone shrubs, but I think they would eagerly climb in a warmer zone. She looks like she should smell divine, but there is no fragrance. She blooms in clusters, and sometimes singly. She's listed as staying under 5', and just a tad more than 2' wide, but, even in a cold zone, she is much bigger than that. She's almost as wide as she is tall.

I grow Strawberry Hill, and she is wider than tall for me. I doubt she would reach the top of an arbor here, but might in your warmer zone. Her blooms are just as pretty as Cinderella, but are a rumpled, fluffy type, and she's a warmer pink. She has a strong, lovely fragrance. The two varieties bloom about the same amount.

Beautiful picture flowers! That's so interesting that yours don't have any fragrance because mine are really fragrant! I've been so impressed with their fragrance sweet rose. I hope mine get 7' I'm hoping to wrap them around

Vap, I just looked it up, and I guess Cinderella is supposed to have, at least, a mild fragrance. I'm sure mine is zilch. For yours to have a strong fragrance to my nothing, well, that just isn't fair. Maybe mine is lacking in a nutrient. I hope yours grows tall, too, but mine took a few years to get there. I always blame the climate for any slow or lack of growth. One of my other ones tries to climb Eden's arbor, and sometimes, I can hardly tell the two apart.

@flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA This made my night!!!! It is so beautiful! Did you buy it bare root grafted or own root? Honestly yours is so beautiful that I would take no smell. Does your cinderella repeat more then your eden?

Yes you are a zone colder so probably not as tall growth or it gets cut back on the odd year. I had read the same thing about fragrance and was shocked when it was so very fragrant. And not just 1 rose, but 3 in the ground and 1 in a pot and 1 of my friends! It must be our soil around here. i saw it in a Regional garden And have that it was also sweet rose in my notes.

That isnt fair! If it continues this way it will be a perfect rose for me no spray.

Just kidding, Vap. If Cinderella is sweet smelling for anyone, I'm glad it's you. You are so generous with your time, helping your friend landscape his garden besides all the work you've put into your own garden.

Sarena, all of mine are own root, purchased as bands. As for the repeat, she and Eden both have a great first flush, then always have a few blooms throughout the season. Except for my one super charged Eden, who has done everything backwards and wrong, and is a continuous bloomer. That rose had to have been infused with magical super powers, but I digress.

It's funny how when growing Multiples of the same roses 1 will do so much better. I have found 1 side of my garden is on steroids and the other 1 is just normal. It makes it hard to judge a rose.

That is very sweet flowers. I'm so happy with my friend's garden especially the fact that he is thrilled with it! He has neighbors come over to see it and they just cannot get over it! The difference in his yd in 1 year is astounding! Did you see the pics i posted on another thread on Peggy Martin.

Im helping clear out his old house since he sold it to his next door neighbor. Hoarding is bad. He just wants to throw everything, bu he has the best stuff. So sad. His 1848 log cabin( lived in by Henry Harris) was awesome not too long ago. Now it's a tear down 😥 We're working on the kitchen at his new place trying to decide what stuff of his to keep. DH is ruthless. The pandemic has really helped him go cold turkey on buying so I think hes off on a better track and now he has an increasingly beautiful house and yard to spend time in.

That is truly wonderful what you are doing for him. A beautiful garden can just really help with mental health. Gives you that comfort and drive on bad days. I am going to look at the forums to follow your work. :)

Vaporvac, it is interesting to plant multiples! I have found over the years that planting in multiples really helps me figure out what I'm doing right, and what I'm doing wrong. :) It is remarkable sometimes, how seemingly "minute" differences in soil, sun exposure, and micro-climate can strongly effect a plant's performance.

Sarena Spirit of Freedom as another very good climber I forgot to recomend. SoF gets some blackspot here but recovers quickly and blooms well. My grafter plants grew 6 feet in one season.

Vapor, it's an extraordinary thing you're doing, helping this fella get rid of all the stuff he's hoarded, in addition to helping him plan and plant his garden. Good for your husband being ruthless. Someone has to be in a case like that. My son in law is doing a similar thing for a friend. It's an unbelievably hard job.

People coming over to see his transformed yard will be encouragement and motivation for him to keep at it. This might be the first time he's had something enjoyable to occupy his time. And, as Sarena said, what better than a garden for one's mental health. I will look for the pics you posted on another thread. Apologies for this off topic post.

No apologies necessary! It is so inspiring to hear of you guys doing such wonderful things. it really warms my heart. I hope one day to have enough expereince to help someone make their own garden and bring that joy to their life. And it is all thanks to @Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley that i found my dream climber! Cinderella! I had never even heard of kordes roses and how resistant and beautiful they are! I have offically setteled on making a huge arch with spirit of freedom on one side and cinderella on the other. :) I hope they compliment each other.

I want to truly thank everyone from the bottom of my heart for all the pictures and helpful advice. I now have so many climbers I want to grow and I am strongly considering two arches. (obession here we come)

You all have been so lovely to me and it means a lot. I wish I could bake everyone some cookies to properly say thank you. :)

((ohh and i welcome more and more pictures!!! Seeing everyones roses is such a high light to my day!))

You can make a path with arches over it! One can never have too many climbers!😂

Mortimer Sackler, June flush.