Identification: found moss rose (pics)
last month
Featured Answer
Sort by:Oldest
Comments (20)
Related Discussions
Request rose ID (no pics)
Comments (4)Ingrid, I forgot to put 'Mme. Hardy' on the "roses it can't be" list. If nothing else, MH is a tall growing rose, as well as different in bud. Actually, I suspect there aren't that many candidates. Gallicas are mostly pink-red-purple-lilac hues; there aren't many pale ones. And this rose doesn't look have a hybridized look about it, so I can exclude Bourbons, Hybrid Perpetuals and certainly anything of predominantly oriental blood. It's not an Alba (tall and upright, smooth canes, thorns sparse and strong, blueish or grayish foliage) or a moss rose. It might possibly be a Centifolia or a Damask, though Centifolias tend to be lanky and nastily thorny, while this rose doesn't have the narrow tubular receptacle or the long fringed sepals that characterize most of the Damasks I'm acquainted with. So the field is narrower than you might think, or at least so it seems to me. I wouldn't have put the question if I thought it had an impossibly broad range of likely answers. labrea, Was that the site in a language you didn't know that made you want to make an order? I finally found out that it was Finnish (one of the few non-Indo-European languages of Europe, and nastily incomprehensible to just about everyone who's not a Finn). It's spectacular! I wanted all those Gallicas too! Melissa...See Morerose identification help
Comments (9)Sorry, I meant to type suckers, but it came out runners. I have a few that are about 6 feet from the original plant.... I cut them, pull them, yank them, swear at them, all the time because they always pop up where they are not wanted (like in the lawn) Any that I have given out have come with a warning--- give it plenty of space, watch out for the thorns and unless you want to have suckers everywhere, collar it. I wish I could get it to give me repeat blooms---- but I will take the shade tolerance instead. I think they must be Alba's--- and if they aren't they are giving a pretty good imitation of one. I found three more growing behind my garage today. I should have kept count of how many I've dug out of there, but I'd be willing to bet its about 15. I suspect they are suckers from the original that was probably thrown back there when it was dug up. thanks for all your help....See MoreI need advice on pruning Salet (moss rose)
Comments (11)vesfl -- my once-blooming oldies are limited, in that I don't have any Albas or Centifolias, and aside from a few young Damasks in pots, the two I grow are 'Botzaris' (which is rather like a very prickly stout Gallica in habit, which also fits 'Leda' and a handful of others) and 'Quatre Saisons Blanc Mousseaux'. I have a few Gallicas planted where they can sucker if they want. Then there's "Nouveau Monde -- in commerce as" and a couple other oddballs. I've lived with them for a few years now, and let them teach me. So take this with a grain of salt. When I say I prune harder after the bloom, it's to sort of "refresh and contain" the roses. If I just dead-head the once-bloomers, they'll put out their new growth from where I cut off the faded blooms, and that new growth will continue growing, uninterrupted by a second flush, for another four or five months. I've been hypothesizing that the number of actively-growing buds is dictated by the extent of the root mass, as if the roots say "ok, we can support this many growth buds" to the top growth. That number can be contained within a few very long canes each with many active buds, or a lot of shorter canes each with fewer active buds. If you cut long canes back hard, lower growth buds which were sort of suppressed into dormancy by those higher up will sprout, making for bushier canes. If that's not enough, more new canes will emerge from the roots, and/or suckers will form. It's as if the roots say "hey, we said we could handle this many, but we're not getting as much food coming down here....do we need to send up more growth from below?" and they do. I like the Gallicas and 'Bozaris' to be broad, bushy, and low -- maxing at about four feet tall. So after they bloom, I cut the bloomed canes down by half (even if already shortened by a third before they leafed out), remove entirely any with few or no blooms, and if two canes are too close together, I cut out entirely the one that seems less vigorous, or older. From there, they will put forth next year's blooming canes. Because my growing season is longer than yours, I anticipate how big they'll be by Winter and keep that in mind when I'm deciding how much to remove. For you, reducing their length may not be necessary -- they may have only two months of active growth after blooming before going dormant in your area. I also find that doing this prompts suckers to sprout -- if they're in the way, I remove them as I find them. Otherwise, I leave them. The Gallicas were planted where I wanted them to sucker, but 'Botzaris' suckers get in the way, so I dig them out. Then there's "Nouveau Monde -- in commerce as" which I grow as a big climber against a raised deck railing, and a little into a tree. This rose was described by Vintage Gardens as belonging to "growth habit #3", which meant growing into a big, suckering haystack. Its main bulk fans out about fifteen feet wide and nine feet tall. All of its top-growth emerges from one cane emerging from the soil line. It has never sent up a sucker, and the only other cane it had was its original baby cane, long since pruned away. This remaining cane is over an inch in diameter now at the base. It grew up, then I turned it 45 degrees to the left, which prompted laterals, and those laterals were further turned, etc. This meant a LOT of actively-growing buds -- and probably what is suppressing the emergence of any new canes or suckers. So, in this case, I actually want to keep this situation going, because I simply can't fit any more of this rose in its spot -- new canes or suckers would not work. Before it leafs out, I just remove the dead or diseased parts, arrange the stems to where I want them to go, favor the stronger of two that are too close together, cut anything too thin to support a bloom, then snip what's left back just a bit to make it all fit. After the bloom, I cut it back harder, but only the parts extending beyond the top and sides of the railing. All the stuff below I pretty much leave. October 2013 -- six months after coming as a band. Note the cane going up against the railing -- this was trained to the left as it continued growing. Note the new shoots that seem to be coming from the roots -- they're not. They are laterals on that cane against the railing. Note the thin, twiggy bits down front -- those are the baby canes, which I later snipped away. Here it is in May 2014 -- baby canes still there, but all new growth you see along the railing began as laterals on that first new cane. There's also a clematis growing into it. May 2015 -- see how laterals upon laterals are growing? I got that starting because when the laterals went up and over the railing too high, I started tucking them back down to between 45 degrees and horizontal, in the opposite direction of the cane which sprouted the lateral, prompting those laterals to make laterals, and repeat. Lots of top mass suppressed more new canes and suckering. The baby canes are still there, but I cut them off after the bloom. April 2016 -- ok, now it's really getting huge, and still all of this is laterals upon laterals upon laterals.....from one main cane. If you look in the second pic, you can see that I've already cut the longest canes, which were long enough that they were arching toward the deck floor from their weight. Snipping them back made them stand upright. I then shortened those laterals, and trained them horizontally (or nearly so) against the top of the deck railing (after these pics were taken) And late May 2016 -- you can see the lateral-upon-lateral effect going on. Elsewhere, 'Duchesse d'Angouleme' (the one aka 'Wax Rose') is being trained the same way, but it's growing much more slowly than did NM-ica. Same idea, though -- one main cane, trained sideways, causing laterals to sprout, those laterals also trained sideways, those also sprouted their own laterals, etc. All that top growth is suppressing new canes and suckers below, so no worries about it taking over. So, long story short, I prune them after learning what they want to do, what they can do, and bending that to work for what I want them to do. :-) ~Christopher...See MoreJoin the Alba and Moss Rose Share 2022!
Comments (119)@portlandmysteryrose aww, thanks. There is a good bit of room where I am at presently (rural, 1.0+/- acre) and to have any more space simply means carving out new space from the dreadful lawn (I hate lawns for several reasons, hehe). It's still early in the process, but I've finally found a home that I've put an offer in on and things are moving forward: this home is rural and on over 2 acres. Sure, a lot is wooded (love my forests), but there is a bunch of great, sunny space for gardens and my roses. No lie, I'm terrified, but things will work out just fine. You know; I didn't know that Gabrielle Noyelle was a rarer moss! I do love her soft apricot blooms, and plant habit aside, I figure the blooms are as close as I'll ever get to having 'Safrano' in the garden here in the North! Steven...See More- last month
- 28 days ago
- 27 days ago
- 27 days ago
- 27 days agolast modified: 27 days ago
- 27 days ago
- 27 days agolast modified: 27 days ago
- 27 days ago
- 26 days ago
- 26 days ago
- 26 days ago
- 25 days ago
- 20 days ago
- 20 days agolast modified: 20 days ago
- 20 days ago
- 5 days ago
Related Stories
FUN HOUZZDoes Your Home Have a Hidden Message?
If you have ever left or found a message during a construction project, we want to see it!
Full StoryLANDSCAPE DESIGN7 Low-Maintenance Lawn Alternatives
Turf isn't the only ground cover in town. Get a lush no-grass lawn with clover, moss and other easy-care plants
Full StoryHOUZZ TOURSMy Houzz: Pretty Meets Practical in a 1920s Walk-Up
Creative styling gives an 800-square-foot rental such an inspired homey air, you might just miss the office in the living room
Full StoryLANDSCAPE DESIGNGarden Walls: Gabion Evolves From Functional to Fabulous
The permeable rock-, concrete- or glass-filled steel cages are showing up as retaining walls, planters, benches and more
Full StoryDECORATING GUIDESMy Houzz: Light Emerges in a Dark Victorian House
A designer freshens up her family’s period home by opening rooms to sunlight and decorating it in light, bright colors
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDESHouzz Call: What’s Your Favorite Backyard Beauty?
The simple, honest daisy is this writer’s go-to garden flower. We want to hear which plant, flowering or otherwise, gives you special joy
Full StoryDESIGNER SHOWCASESHollywood Glamour at the 2016 Wattles Mansion Showcase House
Designers take inspiration from their favorite movies and Hollywood icons to decorate rooms for this Southern California show house
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDESGreat Garden Combo: 3 Wonderful Plants for a Deer-Resistant Screen
Protect your privacy and keep deer at bay with a planting trio that turns a problem garden area into a highlight
Full StoryCONTAINER GARDENS3 Steps to Creating Quick, Easy and Colorful Succulent Containers
Take a bright container, add a colorful succulent or two and have a professional, summery design in minutes
Full StoryHOUZZ TOURSMy Houzz: Artists Find Their Dream Home in the Country
Their own and others’ creative works fill their renovated house and studio in Australia's Southern Highlands
Full Story
monarda_gw