jmith, thank you AGAIN! I really appreciate your posts :-) Uh...where does the air make-up unit go?? Breezygirl, wow, thank you for your thoughtful and reasoned post! Yes, upon reflection, an underccounter oven would not be good for my back. I was thinking that maybe I would only use the second oven for parties and holidays, but sometimes we have friends over every weekend. Good point about the cost of separate ovens. I do like the look of double ovens, too. Especially the Bosch 800 series and the Kenmore Pro, but it is very hard to find anything on them...few mixed reviews online. I will ask on this forum. And do some research on Electrolux as well, since they seem to be popular here. I saw the Wolf cooktop at Great Indoors. My mother has a Wolf range, but she hates to cook. Lol. OK, will also look for the Capital. Hadn't heard of it until this forum. Yes, found ajmadison and HomeEverything. HomeEverything has slightly better prices, and usually free shipping. Yes, you're right, I couldn't find a published price on the GE Monogram counter-depth anywhere. I have to call or email each site to get the price, and from what you and the GI saleslady said, there probably won't be much difference except for no tax if I buy online. I have accepted that I can't vent with an OTR MW. I will have to spring for an undercabinet hood. Bleah. $1400. Ugh. Loss of cabinet space. Boo. I am thinking that, since I was planning for stacked 42" + !2" or 36" + 18", I will have to mount the MW under a cabinet...h'mmm...maybe I will have to do a mullion door on a 36" or 42", since the 12" or 18" are supposed to be mullion? Thought briefly about putting MW in island, but kids are 6 and 10 and tall, too. LOVE the Kitchens forum. Haven't posted my floor plan yet, trying to get up the courage to post pics of my truly UGLY kitchen. It doesn't look as bad or difficult on the floor plan as it does in the pictures Will check with contractor. Presumably he is up on all this stuff. Never heard of MUA until cooksnsews mentioned it! The GE Monogram ZFSB25DXSS is currently $3825 @ Great Indoors, on sale. I liked it bc it is 25 cu ft and well-planned inside. It looks.like close to the same amount of space that we have in our KA Superba, which we bought 9 years ago and has never given us a problem. I will look at KA fridges, thank you! I need the MW drawer money for the undercabinet hood. Boo. But the fridge isn't in my appliance budget, anyway. Lol.

" Posted by applnut Wolf, on the other hand, was super responsive from the get-go, answered all my questions easily and completely and really made me feel comfortable about my purchase. Now, I'm dealing with the dreaded porcelain flaking on my ovens, so not ideal, BUT they are still just as responsive and helpful as they were pre-sales offering several fair, and even above and beyond options, so though it's not ideal, to say the least, it's hard to feel like I made a "mistake" buying from them either. I do think that Wolf will take care of you within the warranty period. If you are out of the two year warranty, you are stuck using their repair people and they have you over a barrel. They won't give you price for repairs only a starting point and that was almost double what my other oven cost to have it's liner replaced. They will not stand by their products even with known ongoing issues. They do answer emails right away though. My DF range was a big expensive mistake for me.

I went with the Profile double-oven gas: here are my reasons. I like the smaller-size top oven for daily use, and the lower oven will only be used on occasion, so I'm ok with its location. (There's no room for a wall oven in my tiny kitchen -- and I have no plans to tear out cabinets and rearrange.) I'm a good cook, and I honed my skills on low-end domestic ranges because that's what was available: I don't need a commercial range to cook what I like, and I'm too busy with other aspects of my life to change my cooking style now. I also prefer not to deal with "pro" level BTUS and the ventilation complications they might add. I also am not willing to give up self-cleaning ovens -- which puts many pro-style ranges out of contention. I liked the slide-in setup and the angled control-knob location on the Profile, so that, and the price advantage, led me to choose it over the Cafe. Re: price, I bought mine from a local dealer, and I got the price down a bit by asking them to meet the ajmadison.com price. They didn't quite get there, but I was willing to pay a little extra for local sales/delivery/service reliability. Everyone's situation is a little different, but I found that the Profile slide-in fits best with my kitchen and the way I use it.

YouÂve probably read my posts before but here it goes. >>>Wolf Dual Fuel Range owner... How do you like your range? What do you like about it or vice versa? Repairs? Service issues? IÂm donÂt own a duel fuel because I could never justify the extra cost for what I consider to be a marketing gimmick. The range burners are very good, no repairs or service needed on two different stoves over 15 years. >>>I like the griddle but I heard great things about the infrared grill too. Is it hard to clean? To clean the grill: 1) Turn it on high let it run for 10 minutes 2) Brush it off with a grill bush Mine is a high use one, I clean wipe out below the grates every 2 weeks, that takes about 2 minutes with a wet cloth and then do a through cleaning twice a year. NOTE: The griddle is harder to keep clean than the grill. Grill or Griddle???????? That depends upon YOU and what you cook. Write down a list of what you would cook over a month and then see which one you will use more. If itÂs not a huge difference than get the grill and buy a griddle that sits upon your burners and have the best of both worlds. The wolf infrared Char-broiler is one of the main reasons I brought this unit, it is a top of the line unit that is not comparable to any others except American ranges. >>>From another GardenWeb thread, Miele oven seems to be superior over the Wolf; do you have problems with your oven below the stove? (i.e. some had mentioned the blue oven interior fading/flaking) Could be, any electric oven that is self-cleaning undergoes high heat for several hours, that puts extra strain on the coatings and the parts themselves, personally it is another gimmick I donÂt see a need for. I have American Range double wall ovens (gas), if I went electric I would seriously consider the GE Profile series. >>>I am also considering a wolf rangetop (open burner) and a separate wall oven ( partly because I find it easier to operate the oven while standing upright than bending down; however, my husband prefers the grand look of a 48" or 60" freestanding range. ThatÂs a personal choice, if I went the cooktop route and no grill I would probably get a Bluestar and one of the ovens I mentioned above. If I wanted a great grill I would get the wolf.