Hi,I don't have the plants you are mentioning but from your list I do have a daylily that you might like.I could send you a picture of it.Its a dark wine with gold throat.One of my favorites.LMK.Debbie

Black Lace is a form of Sambucus nigra so it does not sucker as does S. canadensis. Also - if you grow only one clone you will not get much if any fruit. It is self incompatable. I also beleive that the species blooms on old wood. It blooms in the spring and not in mid-summer as does S. canadenis. I cut mine back each spring and pinch it often to get a real bushy plant, but I only get a few flowers and no fruit. The new growth is green but changes quickly to dark black.

eshga, I think you could justifiably call Elder a small tree. If left unpruned Sambucus nigra grows a single trunk, or at least a small number of trunks and can reach 20 feet or so, easily as big as a Rowan. It's one of those in between sort of woody plants. Old Elder trees are common in the British countryside.

I bought a decorative elderberry a couple of years ago. It very well could have been Sambuca. I remember it was fairly expensive with dark lacey foliage, and stems. I planted it by my natural pond/stream thinking it liked to be moist. Didn't do anything really, and didn't come back the next year either. Maybe too much moisture. I live by Guelph, Ont. zone 5b.