Miele Combination Steam Oven (CSO) owners thread - tips/tricks/cooking
Luke Hagenbach Real Estate
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bosch convection oven and steam oven vs. miele or wolf?
Comments (22)We're building a new house and the placement of the appliances is pretty much fixed at this point. We didn't have any idea of how tricky this would be. Speed oven, Steam oven plus 30" convection oven and induction cooktop. Where to put them all? And how to decide which manufacturer so that they all match, without breaking the bank? We're thinking that the 30" Convection oven will be the one we use least. The Miele Steam seems better than the Bosch, but that means we have to make everything Miele to match. Miele 30 " convection is a lot more expensive than the Bosch. And how many of you have a Speed oven and what do you use it for? Currently, we use a Microwave to heat a bowl of soup, or warm up coffee, or reheat leftovers. We roast a lot of chicken and use a Convection oven..same with fish. We're a retired couple so it's mostly the 2 of us, and wonder how often we'll have a crowd and use everything at once. Plus, we're moving to FL and will have a good grill with a rotisserie, so will have that option too. Also wondering about a plain Microwave +Combi Steam+ Convection set up. But we're thinking that for resale value, we should have a Speed Oven. Can any of you tell me which appliances you use the most and do you have any experience with Bosch cooking appliances? And has anyone out there ever installed a wall oven under a cooktop, rather than buying a slide in or built in stove?...See MoreWhich combi-steam oven is easiest to clean? Wolf or Miele?
Comments (48)RE: Miele vs Wolf. We have a vacation home with Miele speed oven (2010)(combo of microwave and convection with broiler), 30" convection oven, and induction cooktop. We use the speed oven for everything except large meats due to its speed of heating up with the 'rapid heat' feature, but find it inconvenient to not have a microwave available if we are using the oven. But, to simply microwave requires about 5 or 6 steps on the digital panel, a big PITA. And, guests cannot figure out how to use the German minimalist controls for the induction and the microwave. Form over function! So, with our new home in Seattle (2015) we used all Wolf this time. We use the steam convection oven daily, and we don't clean it much. I did a side by side at Albert Lee showroom putting muffins and almond croissants into the Wolf and the Miele, both cold, set both to steam convection at about 360ºF. The Wolf was easier to set (even the showroom person had difficulty navigating the Miele minimalist digital screen). In about 5 minutes the Wolf produced internally moist, externally browned and crispy croissants, the Miele was not yet flaky or crisp on the outside. So, that made my decision for me! Does anyone know if the baking soda/peroxide past cleaning regimen damages the Wolf CSO? Thanks all for the entries. I am late in responding, having just read the thread....See MoreFor convection steam oven owners ( Miele in particular. )
Comments (17)You'll see a lot of me in that 2008-14 group. :) And, yes, the lines have changed a lot. I dove back in a couple of years ago when I was helping several people and more up on the new things, but that's why I nearly ducked out when I remembered the "grills", but stayed in on the basis of getting the ball rolling. Given the range and the guaranteed CSO, you've sported an easier to answer question. If you're mostly using your Advantium as a convection oven or microwave, rather than a speed oven, you may not need one. There's no guaranty, even, that you will like a new Advantium as well as the one you've been using. Nothing replaces a speed oven if you're using the speed settings. I rarely do, because my need for such changed at about the time I had it installed, but in a pinch there's nothing better than the Advantium. Moreso than other appliances trying to be speed ovens (I'm not counting the TurboChef, which is a can of worms floating in a kettle of fish). Kim's right about testing out the "grill", and other features that are important to you, at a Miele gallery if there's one reasonably close to you (like worth travelling a couple of hours to get to). My own experience with baking, as in cocktail pastries, is that the regular oven is better than any convection only oven, though one of the combined settings on the Advantium might be better than convection only. I've often baked them in the regular oven, then reheated in the Advantium or CSO, and either works well for that. The biggest issue is crisp and flaky without being dried out. A pan with sides helps, as does the fact that both retain the steam from the food. Your best bet, given no further information, is to set up your new kitchen so that there's a space for an Advantium, with the correct electrical service available, since that's best done while you have the whole thing open. Have a cabinet that can accommodate it without further carpentry then removing the doors and adding a trim frame (maybe get the trim now. Or put a standard microwave there and just get some extra trim. That way, you're inoculated. If you're pining for the Advantium later, it won't be prohibitive to put it in. In general, however, unless you're planning those overly big dinner parties, you don't need three ovens, and if you're not using Speed, you only need a microwave....See MoreStarting Appliance list for new build with combination steam oven
Comments (22)Miele and BSH (aka Gaggenau, Thermador, Bosch, Siemens, and Neff (*)) are both high-quality German manufacturers. You probably wouldn't really go wrong with either one of them. Miele sells a single brand, whereas BSH Household Appliances sells their product under several different brands. So, that might be a little confusing. Gaggenau is BSH's designer brand. Their distinct industrial design is the result of Jacob Jensen's work in the 1990s; this is the same designer that made Bang & Olufsen so recognizable. So, if that's important to you, that's the brand you should look at. Also, since Gaggenau is the premium brand for BSH, expect new features to first show up in this brand, and to then trickle down to the other ones. But ultimately, these are all appliances made by the same company and using comparable parts and designs. On the other hand, with Miele, things are much easier. It's all the same brand. The part where things get a little confusing is that in their home market in Germany, they tend to offer several other model numbers that you can't necessarily get internationally; and several of those are much cheaper than the restricted international product selection, which goes for the luxury market segment only. And as I said, both Miele and BSH both consistently have a reputation for quality products. But as with any complex appliance, an extended warranty might actually be a good idea for once. *) for your convenience, I listed the different brands roughly in order of prestige/reputation/price-range....See MoreH L
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