I agree with Rick's input. There is so much variation even between seed pod siblings that it is difficult to tell without blooms too. Even then it can be challenging. Your collection is looking nice Stuart.

Tracy

Rick and Tracy. Thanks. Now i have learned some more.

The plant from #3 (front- and top view) had a few buds on it but they has fallen off and i open one and put it on the plant for a photo shoot.

Very nice! Love the flower color of the last one. The wavy one is very interesting as well.

Rick is right. Sometimes, if your seed source is not reliable, even seed-grown plants may not be what they are supposed to be.

While we are on the subject, has anyone seen fuzzy, velvety leaves on anything other than arabicum? I don't have any NOID adenium and my fuzzies are all arabicums I grew from seed.

Pagan

Stuart, I would be giving a guess that the first is a Crispum cross. I think that the veins in the leaves if Somalense would be a more pronounced white.

The second one with the Red blooms edged a dark purple is quite exquisite. Are the new leaves on this tree feeling like velvet when lightly touched. Am wondering if they are that it could be an Arabicum cross. Otherwise and obesum hybrid of sorts.

Rick

Rick. I don't know wich first one you mean. Under the leaves of the one with the red blooms have hairs and feeling velvet.

Many beautiful blooms Stuart, you must be having some good growing weather there. I recommend Mark Dimmitt's book to learn more about the species.

Pagan I have an A. obesum with fuzzy leaves. She was duo before the winter. Now she is a single, as her partner rotted after getting sunburned. I got a seedpod that only produced about 6.5 seeds harvested in December while she was dormant. I planted those, threw away a few runts. Now I have a single fuzzy leaf baby. Tall and lanky but I don't care, she's awesome.

Tracy

Stuart, Yes. That is the first one I was speaking of. Looks like they are grafted trees.

Most of the fuzzy or velvety feeling on leaves comes from the A. Arabicum trait and with inter breeding it all becomes quite conveluded. Sometimes it can be more apparent on one side of leaf more so than others. With Rhodo's it is called either 'indumentum' or some say 'endumentum' depending on what side of the leaf we speak of.

My and others A.swazicum leafs are so fuzzy, almost like the Perennial called 'Stachys', but not as pronounced.

Rick

Mine feel like crushed velvet on both sides of the leaves.

Pagan, I have one Adenium that most definitely has the fuzzies on the undersides only btw, and it isn't an Arabicum. It's a regular obesum called Dang Siri, here it is snapped a few seconds ago in the evening light....aaaaaaaah!

Gill UK

Garden web members. Thanks for all the tips and info.

I'm not sure if someone can identify this DR?

This is interesting, Stuart. This plant has very wide and thick looking leaves w the deep veining of the True Socotranum.

Do you have a photo of it's base?

It would not be a cross of that Species.

Rick

Ohhh Rick, what??? It is from a batch of obesum seeds sown in jan 2015. I did pruned it and raised the caudex a few months ago.

Stuart, if you knew you planted it from a batch of known obesum seeds, what ID were you looking for?

Maybe some other seeds mixed up with the batch? Could it be possible that seeds from Thai Socotranum can produce ssedlings like the mother or father plant( True socotranum) ?

Stuart, Sorry if I got you excited on the prospect of a True Socotranum.

This is not a True Socotranum and from what I have been told, they do not cross with other species. What they are doing is grafting the top portion of the True Socotranum onto an Obesum root stock. This way they can have a T. Socotranum bloom much younger.

the leaves from on top of your just have a deep veins and broad leaves similar to that of the T. Socotranum, but the base and stem are not of this species.

Rick

That's good to know, Rick. I never thought to look into A. socotranum. As you know, there is only one item in my adenium wish list---A. crispum.

Stuart, I actually had to look up how close you are to Socotra to see what the odds are that a seed could float over lol I'm afraid the odds of that are, as they say, obese.

Hey do you have any adeniums planted in the ground? They'd probably grow to full size where you are. And what is that tree planted in the sink? It looks like some kind of acacia.

Pagan

Rick. Yes you did got me excited.

Pagan. I am planning to plant adeniums in the ground.

Caesalpinia pulcherrima

Pagan,

A. Somalense ssp. nova Tanzania looks quite similar and gets the big bulbous root which below surface ( when raised ). I just happen to know someone w seeds for species.

Rick

Rick. Can you share the sources for A. Somalense ssp. nova Tanzania and true Socotranum seeds?

Stuart, A fella in Florida is where I got my first True Socotranum seeds from. I have asked if he had more and has not to date.

The Tanzania seeds came from a friend abroad and where a gift.

Someone that might be worth reaching out to is N.R.Sundaram on FB ( Abena Adeniums ). He may know or have them? His family also lives in the Neterlands and he frequents there often.

Rick

Thanks for that info, Rick. However, for once, I'm wishing for an adenium specifically for it's flowers. I really like the A. crispum flower. I wanted to try crossing it. I don't really care about the plant shape this time. I can't even find anyone selling grafted crispum. But someday it might happen!

Oh Stuart! You have caballeros! That's what we call them back home, anyway. My old high school has them growing all over below the hill of the admin building and it is a breathtaking sight when they bloom all at once. I'm very jealous.

Pagan

What species are they.

Hi.. i'm quite new in adenium world.. could you help me to identify
type of this adenium?