That is remarkable! I'm curious to know about the scent, too. Thanks

Hi Joreome and Tom - this one is still rooting and it is a muti branch sitting in 15 gallon pot. As it age, the tips curls back. It is very much alive and is not welting. I can not detect any scent on this. Again, I am having fun with just point and shoot and to share the blooms with Gardenweb members.

Kasie

Can you tell us where this plant came from?
Marty

Hi Marty - this plant is from a friend's home in Anaheim, California. A nice elderly lady in her late 80's game my friend a tree sized cutting. The original tree rarely gets watered and that is probably why the branches look so ugly...dry and wrinkled. However, the branches on my plant plumped up quiet well now that it has totally rooted. Someone suggested that maybe it's a Scott Pratt. So when my Scott Pratt decides to bloom, I'll be in a better position to compare the two Plumeria plants.

Kasie

Wow, that's incredible.

Very unusual scott Pratt if it is...you need to share the cuttings..LOL

This one is my favorite.

This is the updated picture of Black Widow. It is still very pretty, but not dark like last year. Unlike last year, the stem is very plump and has lots of leaves. Someone suggested it may be a Hilo Beauty. I compare this to my blooming Hilo Beauty and to me it's not the same. My friend has three other reds blooming, and by far this BW is the darkest of them all.

Kasie

Here is a link that might be useful:

Kasie,
That is the most unique color. Congratulations on your bloom. It is absolutely gorgeous!
susana

where i can get this black widow? interested to own one. im from bali indonesia.thanks

Not all plumeria are named and many have several names,people just mke them up. Only the plumeria socitey of america registers them. There have also been some great new dark reds comming from private stock out of Hawaii from Evelyn on ebay.
New trees are discovered every day. Please were is the end on the line for this one?
Mickey

Hello Kasie. That is really an unusual plumeria, but i have to wonder - if the tree was neglected for some time, and maybe suffering lack of water and fertilizer? ,its possible that the black was because of the poor condition of your cutting while rooting. The second picture has more color - maybe thanks to your efforts to save the plant,its healthier - therefore more brilliance to the reds. Maybe next year it will show more color still, and be identifiable. I have a small cutting rooted from a burgundy plumeria found in the florida keys, that has the same curled back, slightly pointed leaf as yours. Maybe similar plants? I hope not - yours looks special, and i hope i'm wrong. Anyway, keep posting updates so we can see what happens. John

Kasie:
Can you tell me in Anaheim where she lives, I would pay her for a cutting? I live very close to Anaheim? Or if you can get me a cutting I will come get it from you? my email address is marilynm@midcom.com.... I would appreciate it. Thank you

Did anyone find a source for these, or a name?

i am interested in this one too! updated photo perhaps?

even though this post is a little dated, glad to find the picture - a beautiful flower. If the plant still exists I would be really interested in trading for a stick of it.

I am wondering if this particular Plumeria is still very deep red as it was in the beginning?

Thanks,
~Tina

BEAUTIFUL!! I always hear the darker the color the less scent from the bloom. whites and yellows the most reds the least? but that is an awsome color.

This plumeria does look similar to the Scott Pratt but I think that one has a scent....send a picture to Mark Govan with ABC Pest Control in Pinellas County in Florida he would be the one to identify and place a name on this plumeria.

Hey kasiec, I'd love to chat with you about your post please. Looking for some information about the plant and if you ever ID'd it :3

Hi Kasiec-- This thread seems to have a life of its own--for good reason. I guess a lot of us would like to know how you did with your black plumeria. Thanks,

Rick in CT

The second pic is very telling... The plant is not neglected, like most deep reds the leaves have red hues

I have one, it flowers in early Fall in ECF. The shape of the bloom is also very telling. I have some pics on my cpu I will load later.

Also... The blooms don't start out with any black in them... After a week or so of sun in what turns them from red to black.

I really hope the OP is still around :3

I traced a little more of the story, but not sure if there is a link. An Aussie grower sent plants of Black Widow to Brad's Buds and Blooms years ago, but no idea where that grower sourced Black Widow from originally.

The Aussie grower used the OPs photo to sell the plant.

I wondered to myself whether the Black Widow sent to Brad's, had made its way to Thailand and is what we see as Black Widow coming from there, or whether the Thai Black Widow is a different CV altogether.

Looks like a Hilo Beauty to me.

Like I said.... The deep reds will get a "blackish" hue to them after a couple of weeks and n the sun.

Thoughts?

dupefl, I think so too - when talking about the original post. Especially with the petal shape. It also looks like a filter was applied - intentionally or not is not for me to decide, judging from the pale appearance of leaves, overexposed background (which in itself would render the blooms in shade darker than they are) and overall off colors of the leaves. Hilo Beauty comes with many names in Australia.

The darkest plumeria is with little doubt Kukiat's Heart of the Night. Seen here, in comparison with Hilo Beauty in the bright midday sun of Thailand.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kukiat/2134986037/in/album-72157603539296784/

Heart of the Night has a contender for darkest in one called Black Sand. Legit, I have a friend who traveled to Bali and saw the blooms on the tree. Not sure if this photo is theirs or anothers. Petals were reflexed as it's usually more cup shaped.

I've recently seen the above photo posted from a source in Thailand.

The real question is if the plumeria in question will also show their true colors in other people's yards and constantly. I've seen a couple pics of Black Sand from Bali which were really dark but also others that were very brightly magenta/purple, although still very dark and saturated.

Compare here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/plumerias/2716337598

and here: https://www.bukalapak.com/p/hobi/berkebun/7av44-jual-plumeria-merah-maroon

Pretty obvious that bloom has been open for some time.

What are your thoughts on my opinion they get MUCH darker after being in the sun for a few weeks?

Here is my Hilo from last Fall...

late bloomer in ECF.

Personally, I cannot confirm the claim that a bloom gets darker after several days of intense sun. However, it appears some get darker within the first day or so. It's possible there are cultivars out there that take a few days to reach full potential, both color and shape-wise.

Intense light and full sun combined with high humidity in a hot environment during the development of the bud, before it actually opens, seem to bring out the best in most blooms.

I've had two dark red varieties bloom for me. One being Scott Pratt and the other being Black Tiger, but that one bloomed indoors under full light and as much sun as possible. My observation there was that both blooms reached their darkest point when fully open and then faded to lighter hues.

Freshly opened bloom on Black Tiger and the 5 day old, faded blooms in the background.

Beautiful blooms.

last year was its first bloom and I don't have any pics of my blooms after being open a week in the sun but mine definitely get a lil black after a few weeks.

I will get pics of it this year.

as I said it's a late bloomer here and I did not have all of the buds open due to the weather getting too cold.

:(

I just came across this feed being that the last post was 6yes ago I was still hoping to maybe get some information from the original poster or someone in here lol any replys?

What information are you looking for?

Interesting, I've just had two plants sold to me as Black Widow. The man came from Darwin Northern Territory but now living in Toowoomba QLD. I haven’t seen it flower yet but the new foliage and flower stem is very dark.

Will post some more photos, maybe it may help identify the plant.

Over the last few years, a 'Black Widow' frangipani has been imported from Thailand, it's very dark, but hard to say whether it's a new variety with the same name or one that has been renamed.

Thank you for that information and responding Nita, greatly appreciate it. The man who sold it to me said; the foliage stays very dark unitl it matures into a fully grown green leaf. Will be interesting to see the plant grow and mature then flower. Will post more photos as it does. Hopefully someone else in the mean time may have a mature plant to share.

I cant believe this thread is 18 years old !!! Some beautiful plants here I have spotted a Frangipani tree here in my town with black buds on it !! I am going to ask the owner very nicely if i can have some cuttings

That's the thing about the internet, once something is on the internet it's virtually impossible to remove it entirely.