Interesting conversation. I don't have a dog in this fight, but did want to make a comment about statistics. Often people use the term "average" which is the mean, but think of it as one would "median". Say there are 10 farmers. One makes $2,000,000 a year and the other 9 make $20,000 a year each. Their average income is $218,000 but their median income is $20,000. Is that a well off group of farmers because their average income is $218,000?

I very much like both Asian and native persimmons, but I think they are very different. I wouldn't expect them to be very similar except in appearance of the fruit. If I were looking particularly for late persimmons, Rosseyanka and Tecumseh come to mind. Check out the link below for a ripening order list of Edible Landscaping's persimmons. Edited to add: it seems to me there's more of a difference between the native persimmons and rosseyanka in terms of the fresh eating season than EL's list suggests. My impression is that the rosseyanka season extends well beyond any of the natives. I know I got to eat Rosseyanka's off EL's tree (i.e. at EL) in mid-December. Perhaps it's just that they ripen earlier than December but hold on the tree better than the natives. Here is a link that might be useful: scroll down about mid-way for ripening order chart This post was edited by cousinfloyd on Sat, Jan 3, 15 at 18:11

Dave - I also have a nice fuyu (see picture) in Fairfax. I stratisfy my seeds in a damp paper towel in a plastic bag in the fridge for 90 days because I read it was necessary. Last attempt did not work; trying again this year. This year I got more than 200 beautiful persimmons.

You won't be able to keep a persimmon tree in a pot for anything longer than a year or two years and that will be a root bound half-barrel. If you can't plant in ground, I would not purchase it. Persimmon trees are hardwood trees which can if given time, be large for a fruit tree - I've seen one over a foot in diameter base. I'm sure that was over a hundred years old. My dad has a tree which is maybe 25 years old which is probably 8 inch diameter and well over 20 feet tall. My Fuyu is 5+ years in ground - was maybe 3/4 inch when planted. It's grafted on American persimmon stock when I bought it as a 2 year. Trunk is now 4 inches in diameter and maybe 8 feet tall and 7-8 feet in diameter.