Oriental Persimmons in zone 6? Help?
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Suggestions for non-astringent persimmons for New England, zone 6
Comments (35)Creek, the thing that just doesn't add up about your model is why it only arises on virginiana rootstock. It both requires a virus to be latent in many scions and for it to be latent except when grafted on virginiana. This is because it is not likely that seedlings would get infected before they were grafted on. I do know that some rootstocks are not tolerant of some latent viruses, for example G16 is very sensitive to some viruses and they can kill the stock. So, while your explanation could be correct it seems unlikely. It wouldn't be hard to test, do the virus heat removal procedure on a "known bad" scion and compare it with the non-removed scion on 10-20 virginiana seedling grafts. The graft incompatibility theory is also a bit strange because usually interstems solve incompatibility, but it is not surprising that there could be exceptions to that -- the scion/root relationship is complex, the scion in fact "pulls" nutrients from the roots by sending signals to the root (which I know almost nothing about); it could be a problem with that signaling mechanism. Anyway, clear as mud. Scott...See MoreTanenashi & Chocolate Persimmon Tree in zone 6???
Comments (2)Parkboy, I've had Tanenashi grafted and growing here at Hopkinsville for several years - no fruit yet, but no dieback. Only a couple of my kakis - Saijo & Great Wall, have fruited well - Ichi and Hana Fuyu have each produced a single fruit for me - but most of my trees are still quite young. England's Orchard & Nursery, at McKee(Jackson Co.), KY offers a number of D.kaki varieties that are proven to survive and fruit here. Clifford England can probably tell you whether or not Tanenashi or Chocolate are reasonable varieties to try in your area....See MoreSaijo Oriental Persimmon
Comments (4)Frances, Saijo, "the very best one" is a medium-size fruit, 1/3 lb, oblong conical, four-sided with deep grooves and orange skin. Pollination is constant (self-fertile). Fruit becomes very soft after astringency disappears. Mature height 20 ft and spread 10ft. Cold hardy to zone 6 (-10F). Starkbros is a decent nursery and has a good customer service (if your tree died, they will replace it). Here are other persimmons if Saijo does not work out for you. NON-ASTRINGENT VARIETIES Fuyu (fuyugaki means "winter persimmon") is a large ½ lb round, flat fruit that ripens to a deep red. It is of excellent flavor and long shelf life. The tree is vigorous and spreading with no male flowers, but some parthenocarpic ability. Pollination assures good fruit set. Unfortunately, several varieties have been sold as Fuyu or Fuyugaki with fruit of varying quality. The real Fuyu is incompatible with D. lotus rootstock. This is the most planted variety in Japan and the one that holds the most commercial promise here. Jiro is an old cultivar. The fruit is slightly larger than Fuyu, oblate and characteristically segmented by eight longitudinal grooves, four of which are more prominent and pass from the fruit apex to calyx. This variety is a pollination constant. The skin is yellow-crimson, sometimes uneven; the flesh is of excellent quality. Ichikikeijiro is an early maturing bud mutation of the Jiro with excellent fruit quality. The tree vigor is weak, growth habit is dwarf and spreading with medium fruit set and only female flowers are produced. Fruit stores well so it is a promising commercial cultivar. Honagosho ("flower of the Imperial Palace") is an excellent old variety, medium, yellow fruit 1/3 lb of excellent flavor and good storage which ripens late. The tree is vigorous and upright and has some male flowers so it can be used for pollination. Izu is a seedling of Fuyu x Okugosho. Fruit is medium size 1/3 lb, oblate, mottled orange red skin and pale orange flesh. Pollination constant. Low yield. Suruga. Seedling of Hanagosho x Okugosho, the fruit is large ½ lb, orange-red, very sweet and even better than the Fuyu with a long shelf life. The tree is vigorous, upright with good fruit set and produces only female flowers. Shogatsu is a large, sweet fruit, ripening to deep orange-red. The tree is medium size and spreading and produces many male flowers. Fruit set is medium. Quality is not as good as other varieties. It is an excellent pollinator. Hanafuyu, "Winter flower", obliquely rounded, large ½ lb sweet, juicy, reddish-orange color fruit. Tree is dwarf. ASTRINGENT Sheng. Similar to the Hanagosho but smaller, dwarf tree size. Tanenashi is an early variety introduced in the USA. It is the most common variety available in Florida. The fruit is seedless, conical and of excellent taste. Hira-tanenashi, "flat seedless", the fruit is large, flat, sweet, with four sides and four shallow grooves and the skin is tough, glossy, orange-red, the flesh is pale yellow orange with poor shelf life. It is the second most popular in Japan. Pollination is constant. Very cold hardy (fully dormant could withstand up to -40F). Great Wall is a very early ripening Chinese variety with a small, very sweet fruit discovered by explorer J. Russell Smith. The tree is cold-hardy. Glombo is a giant, conical fruit, 1 lb, of excellent taste. The tree is very productive. Yamato Hykume is an elongated, conical, pretty fruit. The flesh turns chocolate with pollination. Okugosho is medium-sized, round and orange with inconsistent astringency loss. Homestead is a small, conical, orange-red fruit with good taste. The tree is a good and consistent bearer. Hachiya is the most popular California persimmon. The fruit is large, conical and orange-red. The tree is spreading. Galley is an excellent pollinator. The fruit is small, conical and of fair quality. Korean is medium-sized, flat, orange and sweet. The tree is productive and cold hardy. Kung-Sun-Ban or Kyungsun-Ban-Si is similar to the Korean and is a showy tree. Peiping is similar to the Korean, but the tree is dwarf and fruit smaller. Tamopan is a large fruit shaped like the acorn cap on the top end. The tree is very ornamental. The fruit has fair flavor. Giant Tamopan is a very large tamopan(1 lb) bred by Dr. R.T. Dunstan using colchicine. Smith's Best is a compact, densely-branched, small prolific tree found on the farm of J. Russell Smith who was the first to popularize the persimmons. The fruit is small-to-medium and of high quality, chocolate-colored flesh. Tecumseh is small-to-medium and of excellent quality. San Pedro is deep orange, oblate fruit of excellent quality. Tony...See MoreTanenashi Persimmon Tree in zone 6???
Comments (2)I've had Tanenashi growing here at Hopkinsville for 2-3 years; no fruit yet, but no winter damage, either. Also have Saijo(fruiting nicely this year), Hokkaido, Hana Fuyu(1 fruit this year), Tecumseh, Hachiya, Great Wall(has fruited), Sheng, Ichi-ki-kei-Jiro, Peiping(or Pen, I can't recall which), Maekawa Jiro, Rizu, maybe a couple more I can't think of at the moment, about 30+ D.virginiana selections, Rosseyanka, Nikita's Gift, and Keener - the hybrids. England's Orchard & Nursery and Nolin River Nut Tree Nursery are two good KY nurseries that offer persimmons - but NRNTN only has American varieties....See Morealan haigh
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