The curious case of ‘Crépuscule’
Nollie in Spain Zone9
13 days ago
I purchased this rose last winter from Loubert, France, as a bare root grafted plant.
As it began to leaf out in spring I noticed there was a distinct lack of red flushing in the young foliage and stems. The weather was mild and sunny but I started it off in a poly tunnel just in case, because we can get late frosts here and I was keen to baby it. But when the buds formed, they were pure cream with a hint of green at the base and touch of blush pink streaking. The blooms then opened a pale lemon cream colour:
I emailed these photos to Loubert, who agreed it was not Crépuscle, but couldn’t identify what it actually was. A rose friend from the UK also confirmed it was nothing like hers, with it’s distinctive red stems, sunset buds and warm apricot blooms.
I wondered if it might be a sport, but now I think it might be the right rose after all, because this year, the first bud looks very Crépuscule in colour and there is some subtle red colouration in the foliage:
I find this very curious and wondered what the wider antique rose community thinks is going on? I know Tea and Tea/Noisette roses can vary a lot, but this seems extreme!
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Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
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Comments (24)Yes, I've documented it. This picture shows a breba bud to the right, and a main crop Paradiso fig to the left. This picture is a main crop Conadria to the left and breba bud to the right. But most of the potential brebas would not be visible to the naked eye. The embryonic tissue would be present, but unless activated by heavy pruning such as Jon or Xon did, it would not develop. I think we are all familiar with the growth that results when a mature tree (oak, maple, fig, etc.) is cut to the ground. A thicket of stems sprouts from the base. The buds that produce this growth are invisible until this point. But they were present from the initial formation of the trunk - growth layer over growth layer. A branch stub without a node doesn't grow new buds. It dies back to latent buds. I don't think figs grow new breba buds on one year old (or more) wood. I think the embryonic fruit tissue is put down in the initial growth. Some of this tissue develops into main crop figs immediately, some the next year as brebas, and some never develops. Just my opinion....See MoreStubborn to the 'n'th' in the case of a non-bloomer
Comments (4)Thank you for the comments, and I'm still watching the one lone bud that seems to be growing, but very slowly and that could be in response to some very up and down temperatures, so it's not been consistently warm enough for faster growth. I must admit, I'd guess the plant in question had not even flowered for many years after a nearby very large tree put it into heavy shade most of the day, and of course it hadn't been watered or fed in years. Unfortunately as I moved it to a sunnier location, it must also contend with some very thick invasive tree roots where it's now growing , so it seem there's almost nowhere in my entire yard I can avoid those nasty and very overwhelming tree roots these days. I have been very careful with the planting depth etc. so that may not be a problem, but as for dividing the plant in the first place, it's a case of that poor plant being in such a poor state of health , that the youngest rhizomes were very tiny indeed, with the older parts fit only for disgarding, since they were full or holes etc and perhaps long dead, so it was also a case of having to regrow a good strong rhizome once again, with no good divisions possible at the time. Oh well, but I had the time and space wasn't an issue, though something else more immediately rewarding would have been better taking up the space. I'll keep you posted, if indeed the thing does reflower after perhaps over thirty or so years without a bloom! I think in many cases and in general , folks who plan to stay put in one house for many years, and who have young shrubs and trees, fail to take note of the decreasing amount of sun over the years as many of those sun loving plants end up shaded by ever increasing and spreading trees etc. I also have an ancient old peach tree or should I say the sucker from the mother plant, now in complete shade , perhaps thirty or fourty years after it was planted in what then was probably full sun!...See MoreCurious on windows
Comments (7)PVC is low maintenance until the plasticizers outgas enough to make it brittle and it cracks or shatters; then they must be replaced. I don't recommend PVC if you plan to live in the house for more than 10 years or if resale value is important. The Andersen 200 is a builder grade wood window with Flexicron paint instead of a cladding and a sill that doesn't have an overhang requiring a sub-sill or it will leak. This is all obvious in the published details but in their description Andersen calls the paint finish "perma-shield" as if it were a cladding and the sill detail will obviously prevent water from dripping clear of the siding allowing it to run back under the sill and enter the wall cladding when the sealant inevitably fails. Sealant is never permanent so it should never be the only protection against leaks. None of Andersen's other windows resembles the 200 in any way. Andersen should be ashamed of it. It is critically important to install windows that will not need to be replaced or reinstalled before you sell the house or that will reduce the resale value. So, this is not the best place to be cutting quality. Marvin's all-fiberglass Integrity window is much stronger, better finished and more water-proof than typical PVC windows. This post was edited by Renovator8 on Sat, Aug 9, 14 at 8:31...See MoreS. trifasciata “Laurenti” and the curious case of her yellow offspring
Comments (13)Unfortunately the first leaf has shrivelled. Probably due to the increasing light intensity the last few weeks. A new leaf is growing though, slow but growing. Also there seems to be green in it. I'll post a photo in the next few days. A few weeks ago I went to the garden centre and noticed irregular variegation in a plant for sale. One large yellow leaf between al others. The price was a bit to steep to buy it for this single leaf, but at least it was nice to see it occurring. :)...See More
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