Best skirted toilet for reduced clogs?
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Comments (22)MrsPete- The low-flow toilets that are now required to be sold use as little as 1/5 of the water as the old toilets we grew up with. To work well they depend on careful engineering of the trap so there is an efficient flush with this reduced amount of water. You can't tell by just looking at them, but some toilets do this better than others. For example the Toto has a somewhat larger trap diameter than many toilets and this makes a big difference in clogging or not. I used to think that all toilets did the same thing until I had experience installing and using a variety of brands. Some of the money you pay for expensive toilets can be a premium for the style rather than better operation, just like a lot of items around the house. I have bought the $99 toilets before: some were ok, some were terrible. I finally decided I was willing to pay several hundred dollars for something I could install and forget about for the next 40 years, rather than get a plunger out every couple of weeks. Read the review links in this thread and decide for yourself....See MoreLooking for a good value toilet that won't clog
Comments (27)> what is this about the Drake II flapper? The standard flapper looks like this: That hole on the side allows it to fill with water and fall closed fairly quickly. But you can get a flapper designed for Toto's (now discontinued) low-end "Power Gravity" commodes (rather than "G-max", etc.) that is interchangable, but doesn't have the hole on the side (and sometimes a hole gap reducer on the bottom) which makes the flapper stay open longer before falling shut: These pictures are actually not of the Toto-branded flappers but rather of generic Korky replacements, but from what I read, they actually make the part for Toto, and the ones they sell under their own brand, in this case # 2022BP, are identical except for packaging, and even have "Toto" embossed on them, but are less expensive. You can also get this Korky 3060BP adjustable flapper which Home Depot sells in their stores, which lets you rotate the sleeve that opens or closes holes on its side: > I will be installing the Maris (has the same flushing system as the Drake II). Are you sure? A quick look online shows a more elaborate dual-flush setup > Your flap solution is an awfully expensive upgrade. You can get a replacement flapper for $10. > Questions: > Where did you get your information about the flap? From a plumber who has worked on these > How would I find out what kind of flap I have on the Maris? Toto's website has parts diagrams for all their current products. They show two versions of the Maris, one with a conventional tank and one with a tank that's hidden behind the wall between the studs. Both of them are dual-flush units, which I have no experience with, but these don't seem to use conventional flappers but rather a more elaborate flush valve assembly, either THU356 (regular tank) or THU322href> (in-wall tank). Note: I have not actually used this exact product on my Drake II; rather I bought the adjustable flapper to replace a solid flapper from a Gerber Viper 1.28gpf that I thought could use more water per flush, then moved the old Gerber flapper to the Toto, which made it flush using a bit more water, though I should note that it does a fine job even with 1.28gpf and I may switch back. I'm just paranoid about overflowing toilets when there's expensive new carpeting right outside the bathroom....See MoreCaroma Caravelle? help me pick a toilet
Comments (4)orangedaisy52, we are in very much the same position as you are, except our half bath is only 33 inches wide but 7 feet long. We have the sink and faucet in, and are looking at replacement toilets. Like you, we had thought that a one-piece would be the better bet, and initially concentrated on those. But our final choice is coming to three models, the Caroma Bondi 270, the Toto Vespin II, and the Toto Ultramax II, only the last of which is a one-piece. We are strongly leaning toward the Vespin II. The Caroma has two factors working against it. The first is your #1 concern: what the trade delicately calls "streaking." As a wash-down flush, the Caroma is below average in bowl cleansing; one is advised to keep a brush handy next to the bowl and give it a swipe after every "serious" use. The second is that the elongated bowl Caroma extends almost three inches farther into the room from the wall it is backed up against than the Vespin II does. In our 7 foot long room, that is significant, and it probably would be even more of a factor for you. The two Totos are HET (1.28 gallons per flush, only 4/5 as much as previous toilets) Watersense toilets that use the newly designed "Double Cyclone" flush system in which two jets of water are fired horizontally from opposite sides of the bowl under the rim, and corkscrew/cyclone downward, accelerating with gravity. You can see pictures of it in action in several videos posted on YouTube. Apparently, Double Cyclone HET Totos flush at least as well as, and perhaps better than, 1.6 gpf Totos, which already were considered among the best flushing of low-flow toilets. Toto charges extra if you want the bowl finished in Sanagloss, a super-smooth porcelain finish. Actual users (which we are not yet) say that Sanagloss is a worthwhile feature and makes brushing almost never required. Between the Ultramax II and the Vespin II, the Ultramax II is the (more expensive) one-piece and the Vespin II is the (less expensive) two-piece but skirted one. For cleaning ease, my bets are that the two-piece skirted is easier to clean than the one-piece unskirted. And the Vespin II has slightly better MaP scores. Here is a link that might be useful: Discussion of Vespin II on Terry Love's Forum...See MoreToto-All 4 different Totos clog-HELP!!!
Comments (25)The problem is not the toilet, nor is it a problem with venting although it is so blatantly obvious that on first inspection it goes totally unnoticed by homeowners and even most plumbers, however I would bet a steak dinner that once I explain the problem all the plumbers who read these posts will slap the palm of their hand on their forehead and shout, "I knew that!" The post clearly states that all four TotoÂs were installed to replace older 3.5gpf toilets. That fact alone tells me that the house was constructed prior to the introduction of the 1.6gpf water saver toilets. Here is the answer: Prior to the introduction of 1.6gpf water saver toilets the plumbing codes mandated that all toilets must be installed on a 4" line. With a 3.5gpf flush the water level in a 4" line will fill the pipe about ½ way, which is a sufficient depth to convey the solid particulates in the waste, however with a 1.6gpf flush the water level is too low to properly suspend the solids. The solids then rub against the bottom of the pipe, retarding the velocity of flow and the water will seep around the solids, thus leaving the solids to buildup in the pipe forming a clog. In fact, in the early days of 1.6gpf toilets this is what made Toto famous because the Toto bowl filling technique and trap design resulted in a slightly higher velocity of flow than the competitors, which helped compensate for the pipe size problem. Once the problem was fully understood the plumbing codes were amended so that they now say if we install a toilet with a flush greater than 1.6gpf we must install it on a 4" line, but when installing a toilet with 1.6gpf or less we must install it on a 3" line. By reducing the pipe from 4" to 3" that effectively reduces the volume of the pipe to ½ the volume of a 4" line, which in turn raises the water level in the pipe during the flush to the prescribed 50% fill needed to properly suspend the solid particulates. Therefore, as I stated originally, the problem is not particular to the Toto toilets, it is a problem with water saver toilets in general, and understanding that we can no longer install toilets with a flush greater than 1.6gpf the only permanent solution is to change the toilet waste arm from 4" to 3"....See Moreladybug A 9a Houston area
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