OGRs and rose shows
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OGR's and rose shows
Comments (10)Oh, I think the diehard 'Hybrid Teas or Nothing Crowd' is quite moribund. HTs themselves, of course, are perpetually moribund. I was watching a segment on Julia Child, where she was describing the era from which her cuisine emerged. A video clip came on, featuring a "Mrs. Busy", about to head out the door and slide into her 'smaller, lady-sized Cadillac' for the day's outing, already in a natty 60s Mohair coat, natty handbag already on her arm, cute little hat, nice gloves... popping the casserole into the oven. The casserole, of course, consisted of a can of something, plus a can of Cream of Mushroom, plus a can of Onion Rings... or maybe some cracker crumbs - and, naturally, a stick of Margerine. Hubby would arrive home from the golf course, of course, in time to find the lovely casserole. In my mind, 'Mrs. Busy' was off to the Garden Club, to discuss growing Hybrid Teas (in raised beds, carefully denuded regularly of foliage which had to be burned to 'contain' the Blackspot, mais c'est bien entendu...). 'Mrs Busy' would be about 104 now, and on her last Cadillac. Hybrid Teas belong to a vanished era: an era which vanished with pensions, everyone's General Motors stock, interest on bank accounts which kept up with inflation, and odd notions such as 'The American People'. I have an aunt who is some sort of late-arriving echo of the Greatest Generation. We were at her son's restored Victorian. There was a horrid tangle of bare twigs, intertwined among the front porch's balustrade spindles. It was August. Everything else had leaves. Someone said, "Oh, LOOK! And there's a ROSE!!!" My Aunt proudly stated, "Oh, I gave them that. It's a PEACE Rose. It's my favorite." And everyone was oohing and aaahing over the lovely bundle of sticks. I think I remember one leaf, and one growth which resembled a bloom. My head was turned from the crowd, because I was definitely in 'Roll the Eyes Mode.' My Aunt is a generous and wonderful person: a vastly better person than me in every way. She is from a kinder/nicer era, when people could afford to be kind and nice. But she also likes Hi-lo nylon carpeting and 4x8 ft. sheet wall paneling - the sort of things one expects to go with HTs and Floribundas. And the times have definitely changed, if OGRs are now dominating rose shows. WONDERFUL!!! This post was edited by plan9fromposhmadison on Mon, May 20, 13 at 15:18...See MoreAn OGR or not?
Comments (19)"You can't place all of the blame on the ARS though can you? I thought it is the breeders who pick the class they register a rose under." Well, when I register a new hybrid, the ARS, acting as the International Registrar of Roses, gives me a list of classes I can choose from; its not like I can just choose any class name that I think fits. If I want to call it a Miniature Moss, that's simply not an option as far as the ARS is concerned. In addition, the definition OGR is horribly flawed, since it has its feet in distinctly different territories. I mean, it defines categories of roses whose creation date precedes a specific year, and yet anything bred in its classes qualifies, regardless of the time period it was bred in. I have bred new Gallicas, and to me, it is absurd to refer to them as Old Garden Roses. Call 'em Gallicas, or Hybrid Gallicas, or whatever makes sense taxonomically, but don't call 'em Old Garden Roses. It is a misleading term and should apply only to roses bred in the era in which they had their heyday....See Morebest cutting, fragrant ogr roses for pnw
Comments (39)Trolley Molly wrote-"I also don't spray for black spot or anything else, preferring to take the same tough love approach with my roses as I do with all my other plants. "Get over your black spot or die, it's all the same to me." They mostly get over it." My thoughts exactly. I don't pay any attention foliage problems, as long as the plant grows and blooms. Souvenir de la Malmaison has turned out to be a good bloomer, it has blooms right now when most don't. My Just Joey was either a poor plant ($1 clearance at Fred Meyer) or planted in a bad spot because it has not grown much. I was going to buy Tamora but went to the nursery and it had such terrible thorns I ended up getting Evelyn, Heritage, and Apricot Nectar instead. I kind of wish I had gotten Tamora anyway though because I like peachy colors. I got Westerland bareroot this year but it suffered dieback in the hot spells and is very small. I planted it in the ground anyway so I hope it makes it. I may dig up Edith Schurr again as she looks like she is declining, no leaves and only 5" of stem left. My Buck rose Distant Drums is a really good rose for cutting, usually covered with blooms, and fairly long stems. I like the buff centers on magenta flowers, and the peculiar scent, but some don't- my MIL. The rosesant forum has great Buck rose photos now, especially Carefree Beauty, loaded with blooms for an extended bloom time. My Knockout rose also blooms like that, in a neglected area of the yard where it doesn't even get watered in summer....See More2004 OGR Victorian Rose List
Comments (3)I did. Thanks Diane. You should get this rose, you shall win every time at the show since not people knows about it. :-) Good luck to your shows!...See MoreElfRosaPNW8b
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